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Status Not under consideration
Created by Guest
Created on Jun 20, 2013

Support for Atomikos Transaction Manager for WMQ JMS client

We request a support statement for using Atomikos TM V3.8 or higher as the transaction manager for WMQ V7.5 JMS client and extended transactional client (not for Java and C client).

We understand that in case of a PMR IBM would not set up an equivalent customer environment but would rather use WebSphere App Server or another official supported transaction manager for problem analysis.

Idea priority Urgent
RFE ID 36184
RFE URL
RFE Product IBM MQ
  • Guest
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    Jan 11, 2022

    We recognise that this is a valid requirement. However it doesn't fit with our delivery plans for the next couple of years.

    As a result we are declining this Idea. While declined the Idea can still be voted, and commented, upon.

  • Guest
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    Dec 30, 2018

    Ah, just saw the comment from *2013* "Our intention is to provide formal support for any JTA-compliant implementation rather than specific named products. The timescale for this is undetermined.".... Ok, that's a little comforting, but it's from 2013 and i haven't been able to find any documentation about the best practices/instructions on how to incorporate v7 or higher JMS client with JTA-compliant implemtation.

  • Guest
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    Dec 30, 2018

    As Calanais commented in https://stackoverflow.com/questions/31374595/standalone-spring-app-xa-transactions-with-ibm-mq-and-oracle-as-resources, please also consider including support for other major JTA TMs, eg. bitronix/Spring. We've been using Bitronix succesfully with WMQ (v6) in the past 4 years, until recently when trying to upgrade to higher version and suffered from IBM's removal of connection/session pooling out of the jms client (ref. http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21665128).

    I found at least 4 public complaints on stackoverflow caused by the removal of connection/session pooling out of jms client. There are also 2 RFE relevant to this change and are rejected. This change is pretty disturbing/disruptive to ibm mq customers using/depending on standalone java application with XA capability. According to JMS 2.0 spec ($6.2 pp.65), session is considered "a lightweight JMS object". Of course there might be different interpretation of "lightweight", but if creating a session requires open new socket (excluding sharedConversation from our discussion here, for high performance env i'm not sure how many people would use it.....), it should hardly be considered a "lightweight" jms object, and thus constitutes a clear violation of JMS spec.

    What's more concerning is IBMMQ's position on what kind of support customers should expect for standalone java applications that use JTA compliant TM, which is the key point of this RFE if i understand correctly. If IBM MQ's strategy is to force/expect all customers using a full Application Server in order to get the benefit of (connection/)session pooling, then it doesn't satisfy our current requirement/usage. From http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21665128, it's pretty much "good luck, you are on your own" to all standalone java app that also need XA.

  • Guest
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    Oct 15, 2015

    Due to processing by IBM, this request was reassigned to have the following updated attributes:
    Brand - WebSphere
    Product family - Integration
    Product - IBM MQ

    For recording keeping, the previous attributes were:
    Brand - WebSphere
    Product family - Connectivity and Integration
    Product - IBM MQ

  • Guest
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    Nov 25, 2013

    Our intention is to provide formal support for any JTA-compliant implementation rather than specific named products. The timescale for this is undetermined.